Here’s the comment that threatens Tony Ortega’s “Turncoat Spy” narrative which Tony went into action against on his blog last night and this morning:
Alice Addertounge • a day ago
THE SQUEEZE POINT – As someone who knows Marty slightly behind the scenes I’ll forward my observations as to why he is currently acting so weird.His adoption had a “probationary” period. The church made veiled threats to release information from his time in the church to make him out to be unfit to be a parent.
Monique is pissed. At him, and herself for being in this situation.
Marty has called all the shots, but missed on a few big ones.
They are just trying to keep a family and marriage together in the face of more attention than most people could continue under.
His karma has truly come to fruition. Just when things seemed to be going well, it doesn’t. Karma is the great teacher, hopefully Marty is a good student.
Look for a slightly less arrogant Marty if he makes it through.
Normally, HelluvaHoax!, the most negative Ex-Scientologist on the planet, and the world’s most negatively biased journalist on Scientology, Tony Ortega, see eye to eye on everything.
But ESMB’s HelluvaHoax! has been having a hard time making the standard Ortega narrative on Marty Rathbun make sense inside his own considerably bulbous brain. This is why he recently latched on to that squirrel version of the Marty Narrative to write a post about it on his venue of choice, ESMB.
Tony didn’t like it.
So when HellavaHoax! showed up in the comments section of the Underground Bunker, Tony let him have it.
Tony Ortega Mod outraged • 2 hours ago
Kind of amazing the way someone shows up and creates a Disqus account in order to leave one very suspicious comment claiming they might might be privy to some inside info, and now so many people, particularly over at ESMB, are treating it like it’s an actual fact.In the morning I have someone addressing this fabrication on the record, and I hope people give it as much credence as they have a complete rumor left by a classic one-comment operator.
HelluvaHoax! Tony Ortega • 2 hours ago
if i read those ESMB posts correctly, I think that pretty much everyone was saying that hypothetically it could be an explanation for Marty’s weird behavior. Nobody has a clue but at least that theoretical scenario had a tiny narrative thread that could make any sense at all. Personally, I don’t have a freaking clue why Marty does the things he does.
CONCLUSION: It’s Scientology–it doesn’t have to make sense.
Tony Ortega Mod HelluvaHoax! • 2 hours ago
I’m usually a big fan of the things you write at ESMB, but the way you pumped oxygen into this fire without any evidence at all was flatly irresponsible. (bolded is Alanzo’s)
HelluvaHoax! Tony Ortega • 2 hours ago
Well, that’s why when I posted one thing about it, I put up a big paragraph of DISCLAIMER about it at the top–saying in a dozen ways that I KNOW NOTHING about Marty or any of the people involved in his life, family or Scientology battles. Maybe you missed the disclaimer?
Tony Ortega Mod HelluvaHoax! • 2 hours ago
It was quite prominent. It said: “I don’t know the slightest thing what I’m saying, but I’m now going to spin a conspiracy story.” And it worked quite well, convincing many people over there that you had everything figured out. Like I said, irresponsible.
Since HH! is just too obedient to ask right now, Alanzo will ask for him:
IRRESPONSIBLE TO WHOM, TONY?
This morning, Tony brought in Ray Jeffrey to his blog, who lost millions in billable hours for his law firm, as reported by Tony Ortega, when Marty and Monique Rathbun pulled out of their 3 year lawsuit against the Church of Scientology in early 2016.
The good counselor’s argument for why DM would never threaten the Rathbun’s adoption was that this would be BLACKMAIL, and the Church of Scientology would have NEVER threatened Marty and Monique like that.
Well of course EVERYONE KNOWS that the Church of Scientology would NEVER engage in BLACKMAIL of their most outspoken critics!
And they would never threaten the child that Marty and Mosey hold so dear.
Oh wait…
Now Ray Jeffrey, by all accounts, is a great guy. He got Debbie Cook, Wayne Baumgartener, and Dave’s Private Investigators each a Big Pay Day in court. In fact, Dave’s PI’s and Debbie Cook are some of the very few people to ever receive Big Pay Days both while working for the Church of Scientology AND afterward, but that is neither here nor there…
What’s important here is that Tony Ortega and Ray Jeffrey have a narrative on Marty Rathbun, and HelluvaHoax! was IRRESPONSIBLE to that narrative!
Shame on you, HH!
The “threatened adoption” hypothesis is only one viable hypothesis, among many, for what we are seeing here. Tony and Ray’s single hypothesis, which they’re riding like little hobby horses in a futile attempt to herd Ex-Scientologists’ thinking, has holes as big as the open range.
Ex-Scientologists know more about Scientology than Tony Ortega and Ray Jeffrey ever will.
I say:
I gave a similar theory (blackmail on the adoption process) last week in the comments section.
So this ‘anonymous’ poster was not the first person to explore this possibility.
I’ll bet I wasn’t even the first person to float this theory. I don’t get over to ESMB much, so I missed that whole controversy.
And if you look at the Bunker comments today, many people are in agreement that nothing is off limits or too far-fetched for an organization like Scientology.
They have proven they are willing to go after people’s children in the past. Why should now be any different?
I did notice that.
I really liked the willingness that I saw from you and others there to challenge the Bunkerville Narrative, as delivered by Tony Ortega.
As did I.
First, I have no clue what Marty did or didn’t do, or why. Or what the church did or didn’t do, for that matter.
But, to imply the church is beyond blackmail, is somewhat naïve.
Emotional blackmail is the go-to technique when attempting to control members. “Do the sec check, and you won’t get declared” or “It’s either your husband or your eternity”. This is done all the time.
Would the church threaten to sabotage Marty’s adoption? Don’t know. Depends on what’s at stake. If Marty was in a position to bring the house of cards down, then I can see the church using some extreme measures to stop him.
Lol…. I think some folks at ESMB are starting to scratch their heads regarding Tony O. He will rue the day he crossed swords with Helluvahoax. Rue baby rue!!!
Thanks for the video of the OSA turds confronting Marty while he was with Louis Theroux. I can tell by the look on his face that Marty totally understood what they meant by, “Are you getting paid enough doing foster care.”
I think it was a threat. No, I know it was a threat. You see “foster care” is technically a temporary arrangement. Marty and Mosey adopted a newborn. So the threat is, “When we get through with you it will be temporary because you will lose that child. So it’s really just a temporary foster care you are giving that child…..unless of course you play ball with your old boss McSavage.”
After all these years Tony O should know that DM is perfectly capable of a threat like this. Getting the beloved Ray Jeffrey to officially codify TO’s narrative was an act of desperation to protect his narrative regarding Marty. How silly.
IF (big if), this adoption blackmail business were true, why would Marty time his adoption to coincide with Monique’s lawsuit? Knowing full well what lengths the church would go to, to silence him. The church knows what your pressure points are. Doesn’t make sense.
And if it was some dark deed from the past, what kind of acts have a statue of limitations stretching 10+ years? Again, while it is an intriguing hypothesis, it leaves many big questions unanswered.
Yes statpush I think I’m back to not knowing anything at all about any of this. I just word cleared what Ray J wrote. Clay demoed it too. I have to say he’s probably right on this subject.
Apologies to Tony O. Going back to my non-scilon world. This stuff makes me crazy!
Someone should list out all the existing viable hypotheses for what happened to Marty rathbun.
The Turn coat spy hypothesis
The Threatened Adoption hypothesis
The “Just Fuck All Y’all” hypothesis
What are some others?
Here is another. I just browsed Marty’s blog and landed on a June 16, 2013 post called “Letting Go”.
“I don’t give a damn” (or however Marty said it to you which you mentioned on another post, I couldn’t find it) in one sense might mean detached from, not seeking or withdrawing from, no charge on it in scio-speak, or just let go. For example, I could say “I don’t give a damn about Scientology.”
A lot of people think Marty is all wacked out about shit – it might not be the case.
https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/letting-go/
The topic was based on an essay called “Letting Go” which Marty came across on buddhanet.net which Marty quoted in full.
That’s the “just fuck all y’all” hypothesis, isn’t it? And surely it’s the most obviously, since Marty was talking like this on his blog YEARS before Monique dropped the lawsuit, and I was the only one who seemed to notice.
I prefer to think that Marty simply decided to drop out of public commentary. He posted several State of the World type topics, but as might be expected people showed up with scn related comments. Who wants to think about scn on an everyday basis which Marty would have to do as blog moderator. Tony Ortega does it because it’s his job and source of income.
I tend to agree.
What was it he said to Louis? Something about “I think it’s time I took this thing down” or something.
I’d have to look again to see exactly what he said, but put together with that post I told you about from August 2014, I guess maybe we should add “The Untold Plan” hypothesis?
Alien Abduction
Laughter! How about “Recruited by Donald Trump or Chuck Schumer”
P.S. – For anyone who hasn’t looked, Marty’s final two posts were political in nature.
Ha! yea, but by WHICH aliens, now there’s the question. The greys? The Reptilians? There are so many to choose from…lol. We need Fox Moulder.