There are a lot of things about Scientology scriptures and OT levels that we would not have access to today on the Internet without the help of Dennis Ehrlich.
Scientologists, and Ex-Scientologists, have been on the Internet since the Internet was born. Thus there is a substantial post-Scientology internet culture. These posts are about that.
Reza Aslan’s episode of “Believer” on CNN regarding Independent Scientology changed my life for the better. It reminded me of an approach to belief and spiritual pursuits that is positive, constructive, and life-giving.
Truth changes. If there is anything that the experience of having gone through Scientology should teach an Ex-Scientologist, it’s that. If they quit being your friend/family just because the truth changed, then were they really your friend/family to begin with?
Zeke and Martha Agree that Alanzo is an asshole, an atten whore and a shit-stirrer.
Tony’s single hypothesis, which he’s riding like a little hobby horse in a futile attempt to herd Ex-Scientologists thinking (Ex-Scientologists who know more about Scientology than Tony Ortega and Ray Jeffrey ever will) has holes as big as the open range.
More on Keith Henson
I am eternally grateful to Mark Rathbun and Mike Rinder for what they’ve done. On a personal level, they have paid their “debt” to me for any wrongdoing. Just realize what their life must have been like. I would not trade places. Would you?
Bunkerites Zeke and Martha discuss Tony Ortega and Marty Rathbun.
Mike Rinder should use Season 2 of Scientology and The Aftermath to provide a Truth and Reconciliation commission on the people he has fair-gamed as the head of OSA.
Marty Rathbun wrote a post last September that is more relevant than ever, thanks to Indy OSA turning intelligence into Black PR.
If you’ve written enough screenplays, you learn that the main difference between the good guy and the bad guy in a movie is that for one, you know his motives for the actions he takes in the story, and for the other, you don’t. Good guys can kill people, blow up cars and bridges – […]
From the article: But even before the film’s debut, the accuracy of those staged depictions of Miscavige losing his temper and hitting church members was called into question by Rathbun himself. “The ‘re-creation’ was in fact a creation,” Rathbun wrote on his blog in September. “Even though they worked with me for a year on […]
…”those who speculated that Rathbun had secretly settled will be feeling justifiably smug today”. – Tony Ortega Underground Bunker posters “8675309” and “Peacemaker” asked some important questions in the Underground Bunker a couple of days ago which I believe shed some well-deserved skepticism on Ortega’s smugness campaign against Mark and Monique Rathbun since April of […]
I have to say that Tony Ortega hit it out of the park this morning. Not only did he publish evidence of probable criminal activity and cover up by members of the Church of Scientology in the Danny Masterson case, but he also produced Dani Lemberger, who said…
Yesterday, to mark the occasion of the US premier of Louis Theroux’s “My Scientology Movie”, Tony Ortega printed a small snippet from the testimony of an obscure Scientology lawsuit going on in Tel Aviv Israel, translated from the Hebrew. Tony brags that “those who speculated that Rathbun had secretly settled will be feeling justifiably smug […]
“Sensibly Speaking” has apparently lost its dictionary definition with Chris Shelton. Anyone who can make it past 15 minutes of listening to these two fanatical zealots gets a prize.
I’ve written about this before. But there is a whole lot to gain by continually reminding myself of what a fact is, vs what a belief is. Especially with regard to political and religious areas of my life.
When the President of the United States gets most of his news and information from Brietbart and Fox, and not from the information gathering services that the US has to inform the president and other leaders in our government, then you have skewed and pitched ideas filling the heads of people who need the best […]
Along with Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris is considered one of the “Four Horseman” of New Age Atheism. He has a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA. He is also a practicing Buddhist. While avoiding the direct criticisms of atheism that I’ve laid out […]
If you understand what a belief is, you know that human existence is 99.9999% belief, and NOT knowledge. People who realize this are closer to reality than those who don’t realize it. People, like atheists, who think they are looking at knowledge when they are only looking at beliefs, are simply delusional.
How gullible can some Ex-Scientologists get? Jon Atack wrote a post on Tony Ortega’s blog, accusing everyone who was ever involved in Scientology of being gullible. I commented about Jon’s broad-brushed generality of anyone who ever called themselves a Scientologist. It gave me the chance to use the word “hootenanny” (twice), and I have been […]
The main thing wrong with Scientology is that you might end up disconnecting from someone in your family? After all this time, is that all we’ve got?
Ad hom attacks. Personal insults. Worst possible interpretations of Scientology which are so over the top they’re mostly false. Arrogant, imperialist demands that everyone sees Scientology the exact same way they do. Who’s the Biggest Asshole on ESMB??
Anti-Scientology Reverend Jon Atack is missing something: Gullibility goes 2 ways. You can be too credulous in the direction of a positive interpretation of something, and in the direction of a negative interpretation, as well.
This documentary contains a very good discussion of the limits of power that people have over those who make religious and spiritual choices that others don’t like.
Tony Ortega is one of the most valuable critics of Scientology ever. But is his viewpoint so valuable that it should not be questioned? Absolutely not. There are many flaws – especially for Ex-Scientologists – that must be brought to light and discussed.
The key characteristic of a pseudo-skeptic of Scientology is the furious and dedicated certainty of their position, and their squinting suspicion that anyone who would question them must be an OSA agent.
After writing today’s post about what another litigant against scientology is going through while suing the Church of Scientology, should Tony Ortega apologize to Monique Rathbun for the trouble and disparagement he’s caused her and her family?
This video appeared on youtube on October 23, 2016. I think it might be a tease for Leah Remini’s new show on A&E. Maybe? Or maybe not. You can see that Leah disagreed with the Scientology way that Tommy Davis and Mike Rinder were treating John Sweeney, and that she actually refused to sign her […]
Don’t catastrophize Scientology or your experiences in it. Always work to keep your experiences in Scientology in perspective.
A cool even head is always smarter and more effective at eradicating abuse, if it does exist, than a hotheaded ideologue. And it will be harder to manipulate you. Good luck out there.
If you were not abused in Scientology, and you say so in the various social media platforms on the Internet, then you can be accused of being heartless to those who were. A common way to avoid that is to forget your own viewpoint and to take up other peoples’ problems of abuse as your […]
To dismiss that part of your life, to wall it off under labels of “delusional Scientologist” or “weak” or “crazy loon” is to remain in a dissociative state – to continue living a fractured life with some of the best parts of you buried underneath a wall of self-hatred and shame.
This scene, from the hilarious and insightful movie on actors and acting – Tropic Thunder – shows 2 actors (Ben Stiller and Robert Downey, Jr) dialoguing about the dangers of playing a mentally retarded character, and the serious damage (LOL) it can do to you if you get too immersed in it. The message of […]
This is an example of only one exchange I had on the Marty Rathbun Scientology blog back in 2010, when he was the leader of the second Independent Scientology Movement, and Mike Rinder was helping to moderate, mostly in the background. Samuel | October 25, 2010 at 8:10 am | Reply As an afterthought: at […]
Once I’d spotted that my thinking was tribal, I was no longer consumed by my tribe’s survival. I resented that the tribe had taken over my thinking. I could finally see the eclipsed and thoughtless cruelty of my former tribe.
I used to think that as long as I was not in the cult of Scientology any more, I would never fall into the unquestioning, partisan mindset that I had adopted when I was a Scientologist.
Karen de la Carrier, the former “Queen of Scientology”, tries to suppress criticism of Tony Ortega by deeming it “OSA Program”. Should we all just get in line and do what we’re told now?
The majority of Ex-Scientologists today avoid posting to ESMB. They had enough mental abuse in the cult and certainly don’t need any more of it as an Ex-Scientologist on ESMB.
Tony Ortega recently repeated (twice) that an Ex-Scientologist who got themselves involved in Scientology did so during a “vulnerable” part of their lives. It’s a frequent and superficial claim made about a multitude of individuals who get themselves involved in all kinds of cults, not just Scientology. It’s becoming quite the stereotype. Here’s what Tony […]
With so many people stuck in the most negative views possible on ESMB, is this a place where an Ex-Scientologist can productively evolve and grow after their experiences in Scientology?
Does Karen De La Carriere pay money to Tony Ortega and Chris Shelton to post what she wants?
Starting at exactly 47 min and 35 sec, you will hear Mike Rinder, the number 2 or 3 guy in the Church of Scientology since the 1980’s, who was “on the ship” and worked with Hubbard since the 1970’s, completely invalidate the subject of Scientology and back it up with his own personal experience.
This Ex-Scientologist is courageously putting herself out there and warning the public about the abuses she has personally witnessed in Scientology, and while she is in the middle of doing that, Tony Ortega tries to discredit her on his blog.
If I were to pinpoint exactly when my disillusionment began with Scientology watching, I’d have to say the seed was planted with the Going Clear premiere.
Marty Rathbun is as flawed as any one of us. And no one has been a bigger critic of him than I have been. But Marty Rathbun has achieved as much or more than any other critic of Scientology in its entire history – going all the way back to Joseph Winter.
Self-invalidation and self-disgust for having been a Scientologist is a common result of trying to graduate from Scientology. In some places on the post-scientology Internet, it becomes an unspoken penance to be endured before we can truly be considered by others to be “out” and no longer a stupid and deluded cult moron.
After throwing darts in every direction, the bumbling duo of Tony Ortega and his anonymous sidekick “TexasLawyer” continue their speculation even after the last papers have been filed in the Monique Rathbun legal case, leaving their “commenting community” just as vengeful and confused as they were before. Obviously, Monique and Marty Rathbun have not done […]
In my opinion, Tony Ortega’s continued use of his blog to attack Cathy Tweed very much crosses the line of ethical journalism. And Rachel Bernstein’s use of her standing as a licensed psychologist to publicly shame a mother who has lost her daughter to suicide is, quite possibly, a breach of her license.
In response to seeing Janet Weiland’s name and face again on ESMB after an excellent write up from Fred G. Haseney, detailing how Janet Weiland is trying to get him evicted from his home in LA for criticizing the Church of Scientology, the poster who goes by the name “Sheila” wrote this about her experiences […]
It is the goal of every Scientology Celebrity to get Scientology onto the cover of People Magazine. Leah Remini has now done it. This is an interview with the journalist who spoke to Leah for People Magazine. If you’ve never purchased a copy of People Magazine, now is the time.
The exposure of Scientology is a repetitive business. Every year, there are new people coming out of the Church who, no matter how highly trained as an auditor, no matter how many years they’ve spent on staff or in the Sea Org, know very little about the actual subject of Scientology and what it really […]
This discussion about Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs occurred on Mike Rinder’s blog yesterday: Alanzo says October 31, 2015 at 12:01 pm Well done on 20/20 last night, Mike! Talking to you is like SLEEPING WITH SATAN! LOL!! It’s great that all you Int Base Escapees have created a safety net for people like Leah […]
This week’s episode of The Leftovers on HBO went in a direction that was very close to home for me, and probably would be for a lot of people here. Last Season, The Leftovers was a series which had a cult in it, but it wasn’t really about the cult until this week. This week, […]
It is said that there is only one moon. It is also said that there are as many moons as there are individuals who are looking at it. Maybe there is one objective reality called The Moon. But I don’t think that even Neil Armstrong has seen it. – Alanzo
The legendary critic of Scientology who posts under the name “Veda” on ESMB has unearthed a couple quotes from Mike Rinder which show the change he has undergone in the last few years as he continues to live life outside the cult. Below, back in late 2012, there was a discussion of what L Ron […]
Mike Rinder posted an article on his blog today that Karen DeLacarriere gave to him from “The Outer Banks”, a super-secret Facebook group that I was joined into without my permission, and then kicked out of because it’s only for the “Key Players”. The guy who kicked me out, Ronn Stacy, told me this three […]
Sheeple. An actual mathematical formula for them. I’m not kidding. I think Carl Sagan wrote about it once: Ask Neil Degrasse Tyson. It describes a fundamental property of all human groups: not just Scientists and Scientologists. As social animals, human beings set up rules, both tacit and expressed, to coordinate their efforts in pursuit of […]
There’s a really good book, written by a former CIA analyst, called “The Thinker’s Toolkit”. This book contains 14 tools of structured analysis which can be used to help you figure things out. A structured analysis is a technique that police detectives, FBI agents, CIA Analysts, and others use to investigate something without letting emotions, […]
I recently pissed off a Fierce Anti-Scientology Internet Warrior about her use of cruelty. I asked her a lot of questions to try to understand exactly how she thought about it. From what I could gather, I found that our motivations to be cruel to others on the Internet were very similar. I found that, […]
Never has there been better news for a free society: The above was taken from a Google Trends search on the search term “scientology”. Even an OEC/FEBC Grad can read the writing on this wall.
Another excellent discussion over on Mike Rinder’s blog prompted me to post this solution to the endless tribal warfare between “spiritualists” and “scientists”. Although I almost always disagree with her, Marildi, once again does an admirable job making her case. As well as Eclipse-Girl, Roger Hornaday, and the rest. _____________________________________ marildi says June 17, 2015 […]
On this, L Ron Hubbard’s 104 Birthday, and with the premier of Alex Gibney’s documentary “Going Clear” in theaters around the country, I post something L Ron Hubbard had nothing whatsoever to do with: Post by HuffPost Good News. And an update: Pete Griffiths’ legal fund is up to 2475 Euros! If you have not […]
Pete Griffiths is a major badass in the fight to expose Scientology’s fraud and abuse. So, predictably, Pete has become a target for fair game by the Church of Scientology, just as L Ron Hubbard dictated. (They are so predictable!) Knowing all this, Pete – as a badass – still goes ahead and organizes conferences, […]
In keeping with not forgetting the positive and constructive parts of Scientology in order to seek to live with the truth, I found Mimsey Borogrove’s opening post on ESMB to be highly relevant. So I am stealing it and posting it here. Here’s the original: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37893-A-positive-viewpoint-what-s-it-worth A positive viewpoint – what’s it worth? ” I […]
A lot of really good discussions about Scientology take place in the comments section of Mike Rinder’s Blog. This is one that took place in March of 2014, and you can find it HERE: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/important-things-read/#comment-41120 Alanzo Wrote: “March 26, 2014 at 5:32 pm Rory wrote that Mike was shouting from the rooftops that “something is […]
Tom Smith is an Ex-Scientologist who for years interviewed many thought leaders in the world of Scientology criticism and cult recovery on Hawk Radio’s “The Edge” from Tampa Bay, Florida. He has also maintained a forum called The Ex-Scientologist Forum – not to be confused with ESMB, (The Ex-Scientologist Message Board). Over the years, Tom […]
This is a great comment, in response to the Scientologists Back in Comm moderators posting an OSA Program written in 2007 to handle the “squirrels”. “thetaclear on November 22, 2014 at 7:27 am said: You know, the “enemies” are not only from OSA , they come from within too, from us Scientologists. OSA uses our […]
Alanzo Quotes Marildi on Geir’s blog: Marildi wrote: “Btw, if you hadn’t blown our comm cycle (ahem) over on the So Afr blog last week, the next thing I was going tell you, on the plus side, was that I have observed your sincere kindheartedness at times (as opposed to the insincere 😛 ). I […]
Go Paul Haggis! This new article at the Mail Online is one of the best I’ve seen at exposing the fanaticism, criminality, and abuse that the Church of Scientology wages against people they consider their “enemies”. I have never seen a Hollywood player use their own good name and resources to warn the public about […]
Here is an exchange in the comments section of the “Scientologists Back in Comm” blog where I answered something that The Oracle wrote, and when the conversation continued, my replies were censored. Read the conversation and see what the moderators at the Back in Comm blog censored, despite their quoting from the Creed. “The Oracle […]
Remote-Viewed is a frequent poster on the MileStone 2 blog, as well as Mike Rinder’s blog and a few others around the Post-Scientology Internet. He has a view all his own. He is in the middle of telling his story as a member of the infamous Guardian’s Office in the 1970’s during the Church of […]
Great comments don’t have to be ones that I agree with. They just have to express their own viewpoint in a powerful way. This one came from Marty’s blog just a few days ago by the commenter: “Disappointed”. He does such a good job of expressing himself, his post needs no further intro from me: […]
Real and free exchange of ideas are happening on the Post-Scientology Internet, and nowhere more than on the former head of the Office of Special Affairs’ own section of it: MikeRindersBlog.org This exchange is typical now of the conversations and data going back and forth there. _________________________________________________ Gerhard Waterkamp says October 31, 2014 at 1:55 […]
Scientology Bullying Bullying is a routine “handling” for people who Scientology perceives as “suppressive”. Bob Adams’ article is truly one of the most hypocritical things I think I have ever seen them lie about. It is truly Stalin and Kafka-esque. And here’s their Soviet-style propaganda piece, as if pulled from the pages of Pravda: Religion […]
This one, from Udarnik at ESMB, caught my eye today. Udarnik wrote: “Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal. – Robert A. Heinlein “I once had an argument with a Tea Partier about whether the Founders meant to establish Christianity in the US. When I used Jefferson’s quote about complete rejection […]
This article appeared in 1995 and documents some of the history of Scientology, Ex-Scientologists and Critics using the Internet to warn the public about the dangers of Scientology. It documents the major role that the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology played in the early days of dissent against Scientology and some of the events and people involved. This […]
I wrote this after dealing with a swarm of Scientologists on the Internet: I’ve seen it now. It is unmistakable. It works like this: You present an idea that has NOTHING to do with Scientology, and the Scientologist must relate it to something in Scientology to “understand” what you are talking about. Example: I wrote […]
Marty wrote a post on his blog recently that is a throwback, or maybe even a backslide, to his earlier days. It’s here: The Scientology Sandbox In this post, he once again tries to create a “reasonable middle ground” which he proposes that he occupies. Everyone he disagrees with, however, seems to exist on the […]