Brainwashing and Hypnosis In Scientology

Brainwashing and Hypnosis in ScientologyI spoke with Andy Nolch, of the Indie Scientology Podcast, about the brainwashing and hypnosis in Scientology that we have both experienced – inside Scientology and outside as well.

This is a discussion between 2 people who have actually experienced Scientology – with all the good, and all the bad in it.

We’re talking about it openly and honestly. We’re not making any money off of this discussion of Scientology on TV or trying to horrify people into buying our books or T-Shirts.

We’re talking about how we see our own real experiences in Scientology.

When you speak to everyday people who have been involved in Scientology, you find that there’s a down-to-earth, non-fanatical experience to having been a Scientologist.

Not every one was abused.

Not everyone went crazy or signed a billion year contract.

And not every one has a capture story, an escape story, or an atrocity story to tell you on TV.

Andy Nolch and I are just trying to keep it real.

What we are talking about in this recording are the kinds of experiences that most Scientologists had during their involvement in Scientology. Neither Andy nor I were ever involved in the Sea Org, and we never ran any Office of Special Affairs spy operations. We never fair-gamed anyone. (Although I kinda did once)

Brainwashing and Hypnosis in Scientology is a complex discussion with many different pieces of knowledge. This discussion should not be made so simplistic that no one ever learns anything from those who actually experienced it.

You can’t understand Scientology by using only Scientology to understand it.

And you can’t understand Scientology by using no Scientology to understand it, either.

I think my discussions with Andy Nolch are valuable.

Here’s our discussion on Brainwashing and Hypnosis in Scientology.

When you are looking closely into your own experience – you have to trust yourself.

How will you trust yourself if you have not figured out what is your own thought vs someone else’s?

Alanzo

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Gib
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you mention in the very beginning Mao and concentration camps and compare it to Sec Checks, you and Andy agree.

Do you have any proof Hubbard read such information to influence people or set up scientology?

I understand you are using Mao as an analogy.

But the question is what proof you have to offer that Hubbard used Mao ideas?

Analogies are great, but they are not proof.

Richard
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Good Morning, Alanzo – I don’t recall you mentioning on any of your earlier topics that you’d been fair gamed by CoS Inc. I wondered about that and how you had escaped their wrath, but now I know that you didn’t. Gee, Alanzo – You were once considered more than a small time apostate on the fringes of the internet and the CoS gave you your due recognition. 🙂

Richard
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P.S. That was a statement of admiration, in case it didn’t come across the way.

Good People
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I agree with what you said regarding hypnosis. I’ve made almost identical statements several times on Scientology blogs. I always thought it was funny that some critics would fuss about Scientology’s use of hypnosis but have no problems with all the other areas of life it shows up in, eg. prolonged internet use. Hubbard’s sin was demonizing hypnosis and saying Scientology wasn’t hypnosis. Many anti’s and exes like, or have no problems with Buddhism. Never realizing the definition of hypnosis(monoideaism) and samadhi are nearly identical.

Richard
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Good People – Nondualism, which is pretty much an offshoot of Zen Buddhism as I see it, resonates with me, but the idea of being a “no egoic identity, timeless observer” seems to be a bit of a self imposed notion. I guess a practicing Buddhist would be able to confer with their teacher about such considerations.

Good People
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Actually, I’m pretty sure I was the first to point out ‘good sex’ as creating a hypnotic effect. LOL

Richard
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I would state my own viewpoint about past lives exactly as Alanzo did. I have some thoughts and questions about that and I’ll post them as I sort them out.

Richard
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A while back on Tony O’s blog I came across a topic about (trashing) past lives. About 80% of the comments from people chiming in were “It’s all BS!”. laughter

Richard
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Hubbard was surely exploring past lives earlier, but as I recall (I may be wrong) it was stated around 1952(?) that people using dianetics were coming up with past life incidents in answer to the question “Is there an earlier incident of . . . ” and it was to be allowed.

Eileen
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Andy’s certainty-belief that he could never be influenced by hypnosis or mind control (“I was always in PT, could have walked away”) is troubling. He is a perfect potential victim of Scientology. Alanzo, you are offering important counter perspective.
My bet is that he isn’t really hearing what you are saying.

Richard
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Nowadays I don’t bother on reflecting about what was real or not. I’m more interested in where I am now and where I’m going. Since I’m retired I have time to sit around and contemplate shit. Sometimes I wonder if I’m spending too much time contemplating, but then remember that a lot of folks went into caves and contemplated shit for years. Some of them even came out of their cave as sages!

Virginia McClaughry
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LOL! Richard.

Eileen
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LOL, I agree!
Let’s go get us some shit to contemplate! Richard, what shall it be?

Richard
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Somewhere in the cornfields of Illinois there is a Sinless Man who should be sought.

Eileen
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Richard, Virginia, and I will be arriving on Tuesday.
I still think you should get the cat (as described above). It would be cool.

Virginia McClaughry
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Ha! We’ll all be shufflin’ right on over Alanzo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw00u9Zzm_Y

Eileen
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Good one.

Richard
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I don’t know anything about hypnosis so the only thing I can “weigh in” with is that waiting for the next auditing session might be like the mind waiting for the next hypnotic command.

Louis Theroux made a movie about hypnosis. Apparently it’s big business in Las Vegas with people going to seminars to learn how to hypnotize themselves into “being” millionaires. Also a segment about how to use hypnosis to being able to pick up chics – laughter – I suppose the ladies could also use the technique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSdvew7G_-s

Good People
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Off topic question: Has anyone asked any Buddhist authorities if they are aware of Hubbard asserting that he is Maitreya? I would really like to know if any Buddhist monks or experts are aware of this and what their thought are.

Richard
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Good People – George M. White who posts as “Path of Buddha” has been doing fascinating research with his teacher about the Buddha. If you’re interested you might go back about a year on Mark Rathbun’s blog and scan for his comments where he’s posted many of their findings.

George is also a member of some sort of watchdog group of high ranking Buddhists which keeps track of and discredits false information about Buddhism. One time George asked his teacher if he should make an effort to publicly discredit Elron’s claim to be the Buddha. His teacher responded “There have been thousands of these. Why bother.”

Eileen
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A very wise answer. Disregarding is a powerful tool.

Richard
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“Mooji” is the name of a nondualism teacher. On one of his videos he was reading a letter sent in to him by a woman who was bitching about her adult son. Her son had started following nondualism now he was just sitting around the house. (Basically he was sitting around contemplating shit)

Mooji thought for a while and then concluded that since the woman didn’t say that her son was damaging the household in any way, that in fact the woman herself was being selfish and should just let her son follow his path. I don’t think that video helped Mooji make friends with parents supporting deadbeat adult children.

Richard
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Scn parallels most everything in life. My parents worked hard to help me get through college and there I was out in California hooked at the hip with some kind of self improvement group. I’m sure they would have preferred I become a doctor.

Eileen
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Or a contractor.

Richard
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My parents were great. They never criticized any of my “adventures”. I hitched back and forth across the country twice and drove back and forth a couple more. I wonder what they told the neighbors if they asked “What’s Richard doing?” lol

As far as working as a contractor goes it keeps me in shape. Alanzo also looks in good shape. For his next video he needs a tee shirt like Chris Shelton with “Sinless Psychiatry” or “Therapist” on it.

Richard
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A lettered tee shirt could be one of the costumes for the Sinless Man in the movie script above. A beanie with a propeller might work in a couple of scenes.

Eileen
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Lucky to have parents who loved you whatever you were doing.
A Therapy shirt would be pretty!

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