Andy Nolch is a Free Thinking Scientologist

In this section of my discussion about Scientology with Andy Nolch, he asks me about Hubbard’s lying. We discuss Hubbard’s probable naval intelligence training and other aspects of Scientology in the real world – and not as it’s being portrayed by hysterical Ex-Sea Org members throughout the media.

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Virginia McClaughry
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Absolutely wonderful segment Alanzo. The two of you are like a beacon standing out from all the “exs” and “non-exs” – the way you actually talk like normal people, not rabid monkeys.

So refreshing. Good on you.

Virginia McClaughry
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In fact, I’m thinking of contacting Andy directly now that I’ve figured out how. I’ll go do that right now.

Gib
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The reason why Hubbard lied about his past is because of his use of Rhetoric, and the reason is simply so that people will listen to him and take what he Hubbard said as truth.

I’ve been trying to explain it here

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38446-Dean-Wilbur-Rhetoric-Hubbard-dianetics-sicientology/page16

Lone Star
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Gib I think your posts over the past few years regarding Hubbard’s use of rhetoric has been valuable. Of course other venal characters use rhetoric to their advantage….cult masters, politicians, snake oil salesmen, etc… So it is a good thing to learn about it in order not to be affected by it.

Gib
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thanks Lone Star. I think it’s much more important than people think. I think it pervades society and people just don’t know, After all, one’s resume for a job seeker is rhetoric, or one of the rhetoric means of persuasion.

And yes I agree, certain characters can use it for not good purposes, which makes rhetoric a deadly weapon on the mind and thoughts of individuals.

Gib
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I made this comment on Tony O blog today:

“Gib • an hour ago
What a great docu. It’s amazing how history repeats itself with Nan feeling the tech good. Just look at Alanzo’s blog for an example and Andy Nolch. And of course the Indies and Freezone in the present.

In the Heinlein/Campbell letters, before the release of Dianetics, Heinlein was interested but he never could get proof from both Campbell and Hubbard about this Clear thing. Korbyski even checked it out and thought Hubbard was becoming his own imagination as a writer. And further on in time, Burroughs even said there is something to Scientology but it not quite right with Hubbard’s authoritative set-up. There must be something good there, LOL.

Gib, the ex ex ex ex ex scientologists, LOL”

I don’t know how much research you have done Alanzo on the history from the beginning of Dianetics?

Futa
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As someone attracted to Scientology but careful of the church, I found this podcast very helpful. It took me down a path I had already expected, Scientology includes practices which can be helpful to a skeptical individual.

It makes me a bit curious as to why someone does not take pull the good parts of Scientology tech from their true source material and combine them portions of other “tech” of meditation, Buddhism, yoga, whatever and create something new and not for profit.

I really think if the church of Scientology would have acted sustainable they would have not altered the original LRH texts for OT levels to make them more elusive and profit making, but altered them to be more understood as practice exercises to be read as biblical types of theoretical stories. In my opinion this would have led to a sustained period of expansion.

I think the belief of having big impressive buildings proves the amazing expansion of a movement, even though they are far underutilized, is a very typical old American stereotype.

If the focus was more current with American “tech” stereotypes the focus would have been more on getting small sums of money from huge numbers of people rather than huge sums of money from a small number of select/elite/gullible individuals.

Claire M Swazey
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There’re prohibitions in Hubbard’s works re mixing methods. Many indie Scientologists adhere to that. Some don’t but many do.

Futa
Guest

Claire – thanks for the response. I understand that, and a little better everyday.

I am just now wading into indie Scientology and am giving it a chance. From what I see so far on my journey, some people in the movement see LRH as a prophet like figure and other see him as a flawed human being (like we all are) that collected together some good techniques and put them into packages.

I think as long as I can keep Alanzo’s determination and walk away from any heavy sales pitch I walk into (has not happened yet) then it will be a fun trip.

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